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Yogi Site Admin

Joined: 07 Aug 2004 Posts: 736 Location: Seattle, WA
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Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 3:21 pm Post subject: LLL Reviews |
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As I see reviews of LLL, I'll re-post them here. If you feel moved to write your own review, go right ahead. You're allowed to have your own opinions, I won't get all pissy if you want to criticize anything.
To start, here's a "I've just heard it once" review posted by a guy over on the Keneally Usenet board. He's a good fellow, loves music a lot, and has been very supportive of the stuff I've done in the past.
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I just gave LLL a first listen, and while I doubt I've got a full
review in me, I will say "thumbs fucking up, dude." I adored ARF, but
to be honest I found myself decidedly "eh" about the various mini-
releases that followed, including the Half Zaftig Retrograde tracks.
Hearing the ARF tracks interpreted by HZ had me worried about this
album, frankly. Turns out I needn't have.
This album is the real shit. This album brings it and owns it. It's
a very nice balance of accessibility and what the fuck, so I'm able to
grab a hold of it right away but I know it's going to be many listens
before I've got this whole thing figured out. It's the follow-up to
ARF that I've been waiting for, which is not to say it's more of the
same. It's enough of the same to keep me on board, but this is its
own little beasty.
One critical thought? Every other time I hear a vocal harmony on this
album I'm momentarily pulled out of the experience by the thought
"jeezis that sounds like it was pulled straight off a King's X
record." And I mean distractingly so. Not necessarily a terrible
thing in an isolated situation, but by the fifteenth time I hear it,
the sonic similitude starts to wear. Maybe mixing a little more Lizzy
into the harmonies wouldn't be the worst idea in the world. Just a
thought. It doesn't come remotely close to downgrading my review of
the album, but it bugs slightly.
So again, yes. Thumbs, very much up. An album for deafening oneself
by. Highly recommended, practically insisted.
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Yogi Site Admin

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Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 8:43 pm Post subject: |
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And here's one from DougO over on one of the 378 King's X message boards currently in existence:
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This album shits everything put out this year, and by a freakin' mile! Awesome tunes, awesome production...just pure awesomeness.
The bonus disc is excellent, too. Fantastic cover of Cinnamon Girl. The F-bomb song was like Revolution #9 if it didn't suck.
My only bitch is...well there are two: The album case temperarily confused me. It's like it gives you two different options, with an extra booklet in case you want to go with a traditional jewel case and ditch the well-devised tri-fold digipack it comes in. So once my caveman-like brain was wrapped around the proper concept, I realized that I was actually bitching about getting more for my money. Secondly, I botched my order and got the wrong freakin' shirt. I thought I ordered the dog shirt, but actually messed up and ordered the people shirt instead...which is also darn cool. A little more girly, but shit...I'm secure enough in my masculinity to wear this sumbitch out.
Thumbs, toes and all available appendages are fully extended upward for Half Zaftig's "Life Like Luster"! |
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Witty half-pint demigod

Joined: 09 Aug 2004 Posts: 207 Location: D.C.
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Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 8:48 am Post subject: |
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Hi,
Yea, the case didn't necessarily confuse me, but it was certainly one that I hadn't seen before... not exactly anyway. So that was cool. But having to take the booklet out in order to retrieve the actual disc was a surprise. That doesn't seem "normal".
But overall (talking physical package here), it's really impressive. Great artwork, unique, great colors and so forth.
I'm still in a listening-mode actually. I'm STILL, although finishing up tonight I hope, moving... which is taking all of my time. Once that is finally over, I want to put this record on, pop open a beer and rock it out like a 17-year old.
This is fun!
-Witty |
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Witty half-pint demigod

Joined: 09 Aug 2004 Posts: 207 Location: D.C.
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Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 10:27 am Post subject: |
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Hi,
| Quote: | One critical thought? Every other time I hear a vocal harmony on this album I'm momentarily pulled out of the experience by the thought
"jeezis that sounds like it was pulled straight off a King's X
record." |
I guess the King's X-thing will never go away.
You know, I get what he's saying, but only to a point (and this isn't meant to be a defense of a misinterpreted "attack" on the album, but simply a rebuttal). I mean, it's a well-documented and admitted fact that Yogi is, has, and always will be a huge King's X fan, whose influence couldn't have played a more important role in his growth as a musician. I think it's safe to say that while that fact has probably been helpful, inspiring and motivational at times along way, it's probably gotten IN his way at other times.
(Sorry for talking about you like you're not here Shawn.. and sorry for not addressing this as an HZ topic, as opposed to just Yogi... I'm still getting used to that, so it's not meant to be rude.)
I've heard Yogi's stuff over the past 20 years {ehem} and there have been songs or portions of where I thought, "sounds like King's X"... no question. And there are certainly some King's X sounds on ARF. But so far, LLL doesn't leave me with those same thoughts or feelings. The King's X influences are there, surely ("I didn't do it", quick example?). But they're not there in the same way they have been in the past, not to me anyway. Maybe it's just more subtle, I dunno... "perfected" in a way, perhaps. Maybe they've been tweaked enough for my ear to hear them as HZ and not a "rip off of King's X" (whatever that means).
Point is, there're only 12 notes to choose from for gawd's sake, and only certain combinations of those notes will work. It's not like King's X invented their particular harmonious sound. They may have made it more recognizable or "famous", I guess. Is there something so unique about the harmonies that King's X uses that makes their use by other artists so noticeable? You theory guys will have to answer that. Could the same type of criticism be said if LLL were full of Beatles harmonies or Simon & Garfunkel? I understadn that certain musicians and/or bands can hone their sound by the use of certain tendencies and patterns when it comes to harmonies. But can they really be THAT unique as to avoid them in your own projects?
Ehh... I just find the King's X-thing a bit old and easy or something. I suppose it could be worse... if that's all he could find "wrong" with LLL, that's pretty good. Better than, "the harmonies sound just like shit".
After more consideration, I think what stands out to people as King's X-ish more so than the harmonies themselves, is WHEN and HOW the harmonies are used. Instead of everyone just singing harmonies together in a little happy chorus or something, the vocals HZ/Yogi often employ are the answer-type backup vocals... where the lead singer pipes out a line and the rest of the band answers back with a line or two (in harmony, or sometimes Lizzy by herself). Is that unique to King's X though? Is that really a harmony criticism or one of structure?
Fuck, whatever.
It's like saying Bonham sounded like Led Zeppelin, 'cept that Bonham sucked and HZ doesn't (not sure if that helped my case).
-Witty |
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Yogi Site Admin

Joined: 07 Aug 2004 Posts: 736 Location: Seattle, WA
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Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 10:40 am Post subject: |
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| Witty wrote: | | .. where the lead singer pipes out a line and the rest of the band answers back with a line or two (in harmony, or sometimes Lizzy by herself). | To me, this comes from The Beatles. And wherever they got it from.
I think it would be very fair to characterize the ARF? and Salve records as "sounding a lot like King's X." Those songs were written at a time when I was literally obsessed with those first four KX records. It was like I was trying to backwards-engineer the KX songwriting formula. And I also recognize that people saying we "sound like King's X" is going to hurt our appeal in some places. I don't worry about it, but I recognize it.
But I don't hear it on this album, personally. Maybe on "Numbered Days" which dates from the SHM/ARF? days, as far as when it was written.
In more recent posts, Ron has mentioned that it was only a little nitpick, and he almost wished he hadn't brought it up, and that he really likes the record a lot.
I love vocal harmonies, and I always will. When your favorite bands ever look like this:
The Beatles-> Van Halen-> King's X-> sElf
... how could I not love harmonies? I agree with Ron that I would loved to have had Lizzy more prominent in a lot of places. Some of the reasons she isn't on certain parts is that I was rushing to finish things and it's faster for me to "just do it." I would love to have Lizzy or Pete sing lead on something someday. They'd have to want to do it, of course. But it's on my wishlist. |
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Kevin half-pint demigod

Joined: 18 Aug 2004 Posts: 135 Location: Maryland
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Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 2:05 pm Post subject: |
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This reminds me of every single review ever written about a King's X album. Their harmonies were always compared to The Beatles...the stock phrase being "Beatle-esque harmonies."
I personally try to block out anything I know about an artist's influences or musical tastes when I listen to their work so I don't make those connections. I always respect Ron's comments on new music, but I have to wonder if he'd have felt the same way if he didn't know Yogi liked KX, or if Yogi didn't like KX at all and the same harmonies were present on LLL. <shrug>
Sometimes too much info can get in the way of the listen, imo. As long as it sounds good and isn't a blatant copy then who cares?
I just got my package today and can't wait to listen to it on my commute tomorrow. I dig the packaging and the artwork, as well as the groovy t-shirt!
Kevin |
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posmaster
Joined: 02 Jun 2005 Posts: 6
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Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 6:39 pm Post subject: |
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Love it love it love it.
You covered my all-time favorite Van Halen tune dude!
It definitely sounds more self-assured than ARF or Salve. The songs have a little more swagger and roll to them. The guitars are really breathing more.
More groove, less muso?
I do hear a lot of King's X coming out though. That's not really a bad thing as it sounds more like deep influence coming out. It's hard to shake those influences that work their way into the hindbrain, and in some cases not deliberately avoiding them is the only way to be true to yourself in your own art.
Did I mention I love it? |
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Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 7:54 pm Post subject: |
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Initial thoughts...
The album is fantastic. Well done.
I'm glad you took the time to do it right.
Excellent work on the packaging. Seeing as I buy almost all my music via download nowadays, I miss real artwork and credits from time to time. And I even get a book with the lyrics!
Lizzy's tone is fucking scary. In a good way.
The most relaxed lead vocal performances yet I think. Lots of things I've never heard you do before, and all of them very cool.
As for other comments about potential influences elsewhere in this thread, the thought never even crossed my mind. You're past it.
Very happy to see the studio version of The Ending. The guitar solo in the Salve version is one of my favorite musical moments on any of your releases.
A far as anything I don't like about the album, I realized upon first listen that I may have inadvertently set myself up to be disappointed.
You see, I've been listening to the tracks you posted on myspace pretty much non-stop. In addition, I remember a lot of details from the "Bite Size" sample.
When I sat down to listen to the album for the first time, I realized that I had to learn the proper running order, which is not the same order I had been listening to the pre-released tracks. Listening to an album out of order is unthinkable to me. I'll have to listen a few more times to get used to the new songs that are sandwiched in between the ones I'm already familiar with.
And when I heard the 9/4 section at the end of Dusty Demonatrix, I almost fell out of my chair when I didn't hear the tambourine.
Of course, this isn't your fault. I think in the future I should just avoid any pre-released material until I've had a chance to hear the entire album as the artist intended.
Again, fantastic effort. |
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Yogi Site Admin

Joined: 07 Aug 2004 Posts: 736 Location: Seattle, WA
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Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 10:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Alphatone wrote: | | And when I heard the 9/4 section at the end of Dusty Demonatrix, I almost fell out of my chair when I didn't hear the tambourine. | Wow, you have been paying attention! (I just realized that "Bite Size" is still listen-to-able: Bite Size; man, is it weird to hear that now).
The tambourine was out the window as soon as Pete came up with the Drum Part of Doom. I gotta say that DD really came out well, and I was worried about that one. That's Liz Aday doing the crazed freakout vocals at the end. I was amazed at how willing she was to really just go for it - she had never heard the song, and I had never met her before the session. The two of us were just out there in the main room howling our fool heads off. She said afterword that if she could do that more often, she wouldn't need therapy.
Thanks for the thoughts and kind words, folks! And welcome, Alpha!
| posmaster wrote: | | The songs have a little more swagger and roll to them. | I call this the "Pete and Lizzy effect." They're a good influence on me.  |
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Pete

Joined: 12 Mar 2005 Posts: 20
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Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 12:47 am Post subject: Of teasers and missed tambourine opportunities |
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Howdy all y'all!
Huh, I didn't even know that "bite-size" teaser existed! It wasn't until I heard the tempo on 10 Print that I realized that wasn't me playing...
As for the tambourine on the demo version of Dusty D, well, I guess I heard it as being white noise-- an alternative to the usual crappy drum machine cymbal samples. By the time we got done figuring out how in the heck we were going to actually play that bit (not to mention the whole bloody song!) it was pretty clear that it needed to just explode by the end. So I did the most energetic (and menacing...GRRRRR!!!!) thing I could come up with. Unfortunately, tambourine was not part of the equation. Perhaps that was an oversight, as it might have given it a bit of a linear flow, and instead you have to wait for all that double bass nonsense to kick in (HA!) to get that propulsion effect. Uh, yeah... it's late, and I'm sure nobody cares about details that only exist in my mind...
I am happy that there are folks out there who are enjoying the album. We all had a major blast creating it! Thank you all for listening and for the feedback.
Pete
pFp
FB
DD
etc. _________________ If you don't beat the drum the loudest, you don't get heard!
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Witty half-pint demigod

Joined: 09 Aug 2004 Posts: 207 Location: D.C.
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Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 6:00 am Post subject: |
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Hi,
| Quote: | | I think in the future I should just avoid any pre-released material until I've had a chance to hear the entire album as the artist intended. |
I was actually thinking about this same basic issue yesterday and thought about posting it as "a bit of criticism". I think releasing less pre-release songs in the future is a good idea. I was pretty darned familiar with 6 out of the 12 tracks (if you count In A Simple Rhyme) before the CD came out.... which isn't a bad thing per se. But it left less surprises on my initial listen.
I'm not complaining... heck, I begged and pleaded for "a taste" as much as the next guy, perhaps more in some cases. And like myself, it's probably really hard to "keep the secret". I can't buy Christmas gifts a couple of months in advance, for example, because I just can't keep the secret that long. So I can't imagine being a musician, creating new stuff and wanting/needing people to have a listen.
Just a thought. I dunno, "must be some kind of weird black magic or somethin' that you fooled my friend with".
-Witty
p.s. "Our Guarantee" Rules! Kind of a gutsy, but fun way to start the album. Can you talk about that song a bit, how it came to be, when it was created... was it after everything else was done?, etc. And what's up with "squirrel fur"?
p.p.s. The lyrics in "Fair Use" intrigue me, trying to figure out the inspiration there. Care to reveal who... assuming there is a "who"?
p.p.p.s. "Inscrutable You" is Inscredible.
p.p.p.p.s. Is there any video anywhere of Liz playing live? Not necessarily with HZ, just live and doin' her thing. Liz? |
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Yogi Site Admin

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Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 7:49 pm Post subject: |
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Mike, I just did a first-draft brain dump of a document that will eventually be my "official written commentary" ( ) once it gets re-written. BUT, it addresses a bunch of questions you raise in all those p.p.p.p.p.p.p.s's.
CLICK HERE TO READ
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Pete

Joined: 12 Mar 2005 Posts: 20
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Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 9:22 pm Post subject: My brain dump needs a trash compactor |
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Wow, Yogi, thanks for makin' up all that nice stuff you said about us! That's a nice read, and folks, it's every bit the truth. That's exactly how it all went down, wish y'all coulda been there. And just think, we wouldn't have to avoid explaining inside jokes about taints and squirrel fur. Not that two are related in any way, 'cos they're not. _________________ If you don't beat the drum the loudest, you don't get heard!
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Yogi Site Admin

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Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2007 12:55 pm Post subject: |
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Another nice one from a regular over on Keneally's Usenet group. (BTW - I'll post any negative reviews as I come across them, as well)
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I got "Life Like Luster" on Friday, and have been listening to it fairly
steadily since then.
What a GREAT creation this is! Many congratulations to Half Zaftig on a
beautiful piece of work.
Thoughts arranged non-cohesively and in no order whatsoever:
- I love the overall sound of the CD. It sounds good quiet, it sounds good
loud. You can tell these songs were lovingly crafted. Nice separation, not
just a big mushy wall of noise. Love love the guitar tones, and the many
varieties thereof. Love love the bass sound. I like bass that you can hear,
as well as feel. And the drums is good, too!
- Great songs. If the CD had ended after "Our Guarantee", it would have been worth the price of admission. But guess what? There're 11 more songs after that!
- this CD grooves like a motherhubbard.
-Great guitar work. Interesting, fun solos. Always tasty, never "show-offy"
(does that make sense?) Lots of different sounds. Just great playing
overall.
- "In A Simple Rhyme" - I read the song titles before listening to the CD,
and this title didn't register at all. So it was a great to realize that it
was *that* "IASR". I wish HZ had redone all of "Women And Children First". (Great album with great songs, but I've always been less than a fan of the production of WACF. Now maybe HZ could do something about "Van Halen 3"...)
- great vocals. I can hear the King's X that Ron mentioned, and the
harmonies also remind me somewhat of Z. But I'm a sucker for well-done,
luxurious vocal harmonies, so this is a very good thing.
My only complaint is that I am not able to go to any upcoming Half Zaftig
shows, as I live a continent away from them. Come east, y'all!
So, anyway - I am very much enjoying "Life Like Luster", and am awarding it the highly coveted "Triple Double Award Of Merit And Valetorius Victory".
My blurb:
Wade B of Berwick, PA sez: "Lush & crunchy atypical melodic heavy music with a zingy pop aftertaste"
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Witty half-pint demigod

Joined: 09 Aug 2004 Posts: 207 Location: D.C.
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Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 8:15 am Post subject: |
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Hi,
| Quote: | | (BTW - I'll post any negative reviews as I come across them, as well) |
Of course, because you're "real" like that. But seriously, I would be surprised if anyone reviewed this album negatively... meaning, overall. Sure, people might find things not to like about it, I guess. And surely the record isn't going to be everyone's "cup of tea" (although I don't imagine those kind of people will even get a hold of a copy to bother reviewing it anyway).
But I've been listening to it all weekend... finding myself humming/singing/whistling about 10 different parts of the album ever since. I find things unique and memorable about each song... which rather amazing really. If it's not a riff, it's a lyric, if it's not a bleep or a bloop, it's backup vocal.
It's good, simple as that. And the cool thing is, it gets better the more I let it all sink in. So it's not just a surface-level positive impact album, but carries some weight to it, for me.
-Witty |
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